In June of 2016 Pastor Joe Schimmel and Dr. Doug Stauffer debated the theology of dispensationalism, as well as the history and the timing of the rapture as revealed in scripture, at the Pikes Peak Prophecy Summit hosted by Prophecy in the News in Colorado Springs, CO.

Below is a video playlist of the entire debate. No video has been edited from the original DVD provided from Prophecy in the News, other than the opening Good Fight Ministries graphic tagged to the beginning of each video.

Related Resources:
Left Behind or Led Astray?
Pre-, Mid-, or Post-Tribulation?
The Great Snatching Away


  1. Martin Jackson

    The debate was disappointing: Joe Schimmel had only 2 good post-Trib rapture arguments and he failed to clearly articulate them. Doug Stauffer yelled at the audience for a half hour, spouting the same Pre-Trib arguments and offering no scriptural evidence.He sounded like a used car salesman!!

    • Thank you for your comment. Did you watch the entire debate (all 7 videos)? What were the “only 2 good post-Trib rapture arguments” by Joe Schimmel and how did he “fail to articulate them”? Perhaps you only watched the first video in the series (Doug Stauffer “yelled at the audience” for much longer than a half an hour). 🙂

  2. I’ve watched most of this on YouTube. I think it’s really good. I’d love to buy the collection on DVD. Is it or will it be available?

    • There is no immediate plans to make the debate series available on DVD, as there would be an expense involved. If enough people show an interest in purchasing the series on DVD, then we may consider it. However, most people like the FREE option on YouTube. 🙂

  3. Jay Edwards

    Great debate. Re the session on pretrib history (session 2?) I saw this reaction recently:

    Re Margaret MacDonald, here’s what Dr. F. Nigel Lee stated: “Dave MacPherson, in his various books, has made a major contribution toward vindicating Historic Christian Eschatology. The 1830 innovations of the disturbed Margaret Macdonald documented by MacPherson—-in part or in whole—-immediately spread to Edward Irving and his followers, then to J. N. Darby and Plymouth Brethrenism, and were later popularized by the dispensationalistic Scofield Reference Bible, by Classic Pentecostalism, and by latter-day pretribulationists like J. F. Walvoord and Hal Lindsey.” (Dr. Lee stated this as the holder of nine EARNED doctorates [!] and as Australia’s most eminent evangelical scholar!) Google “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Main Point” and “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart” to find out what Dr. Stauffer censored. Stauffer’s “research” failed to notice that even Hal Lindsey calls Margaret a partial rapturist in his book “The Rapture.” And Walvoord’s “The Rapture Question” refers to partial rapturists as “pretribulationists” (p. 105) – pretribs who, in their “rapture charts” see “church” BEFORE the rapture as well as seeing “church” AFTER the rapture; they are “church splitters”! It’s amazing how many pretrib defenders have seized on Margaret’s statement “The trial of the Church is from Antichrist” and then gotten into a tizzy in public while ranting and screaming that “Margaret was a posttrib” or, even worse, that she was demon-possessed or in a trance or that “MacPherson has covered up many before 1830 who clearly taught pretrib”!!! Google “Scholars Weigh My Research” to find out other evangelical leaders who have endorsed MacPherson’s research since 1970. Also Google “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Stealth,” “C. I. Scofield’s Hidden Side,” “Famous Rapture Watchers” and “Dr. Watson’s Pretrib Non-Discovery” – just some of the hot articles on the British blog “Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing” hosted by noted teacher Treena Gisborn. BTW, this past July 5th, pretribber Dr. Erwin Lutzer told a packed Moody Church that there are now posttribs as well as pretribs among the MBI personnel, adding “Here at the Moody Church we have decided to not draw a line in the sand about these two views.” (!) But MBI is only reflecting the many worldwide who are now abandoning pretrib for other rapture views – and scary world events are helping to bring about the collapse of the 188-year-old pretrib fantasy!

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